paul ryan might be one of the best debaters because he does in the house in congress . senator -- i mean vice-president bide boyd will have his hands full. he doesn't necessarily have the best report card. >> steve: in the shot you could see the teleprompters on the stage but he was not looking at them. he was doing bidenism. >> gretchen: he will be sitting around the table. one good thing he is very folksy in his regard. even when he makes a gaffe. you go oh, joe. i will not rule him out being effective in that kind of environment. >> steve: heart beat from the president. yeah. >> gretchen: and now one of the biggest medicare fraud busts on record. >> it was a serious coordinated nationwide action . charges were brought against 91 defendants including defendants and nurses and other licensed medical professionals for the participation in fraud scheme with 430 million in fraud billings. >> gretchen: it happened in new york, chicago, los angeles and chicago in miami and one doctor in dallas charged 100 million with services that never took place. >> brian: ann presleyy c